https://kotos.backorder.gr/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Board_Thread%3AIdeas_and_Concepts%2F%40comment-28534258-20160603145151%2F%40comment-28534258-20160604164614Board Thread:Ideas and Concepts/@comment-28534258-20160603145151/@comment-28534258-20160604164614 - Revision history2026-07-05T23:52:43ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.42.3https://kotos.backorder.gr/index.php?title=Board_Thread:Ideas_and_Concepts/@comment-28534258-20160603145151/@comment-28534258-20160604164614&diff=1952&oldid=prevHaroldosaur: Created page with "<div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Haroldosaur wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><d..."2016-06-04T16:46:15Z<p>Created page with "<div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Haroldosaur wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><d..."</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div><div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Haroldosaur wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Wiz Ardon, the Peculiar Enchanter wrote:<br /><div class="quote">Haroldosaur wrote:<br />Just going to leave my reply here because quote is messed up:<br />
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<span style="font-size:14px;font-weight:normal;line-height:22px;">Ooh, that sounds like a good idea! So, for instance, you can transmute rock or metal into a weapon, but you couldn't transmute something like water into a weapon because they don't fall under the same element!</span><br />
</div><br />Yes. That's the idea.</div>That works...<br />
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Now I want to write a story surrounding that idea. :P<br />
</div><br />Yes, they are interesting ideas. Though I was thinking: Would it be better if we didn't stick with the basic four, but made a more extended list: Water (liquids), air (gases), fire (which would represent energy in its non-material form I guess), Earth, which could represent only solid nonmetals, while metals had their distinct 'element', (and one should not forget about plasma). So, what I basically propose is that maybe metals and nonmetals should be distinct. What do you think of that?<br />
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Also, Mercury? What would we do with that? Is it liquid, metal or is it a convenient material that's both and can be used for both water and metal/earth alchemies?<br />
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Well, if it's not sticking with the basic four you want, I made this thing:<br />
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Also, fire is plasma and mercury is a metal.<br />
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Metals being their own thing I can definitely understand... we need to think of a way in which all the elements will be practical, because I can only see earth really being consistently useful. :P</div>Haroldosaur